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Apr. 6th, 2008 | 03:51 pm
mood: aggravatedaggravated

You know, maybe I should get a donation button for my journal.

That way, I can sit back, let people put in their ten or twenty dollars every time I update, and have gas money for the week.

No wait, I'm sorry, I have something called a conscience. Great. Guess I'll have to keep whining for free, until someone comes after me...AGAIN. I am sure it will happen again within the next couple of months, without me even speaking to the individuals involved, and then someone else from my already shrinking friends list will betray me in time for the 4th of July.

Some people collect donations to keep their sites up; I collect enemies who spend their time trying to shut me down.

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from: No Name Person
date: Apr. 7th, 2008 12:15 am (UTC)
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I usually don't ask but, what is this about specifically?

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Nangbaby

from: nangbaby
date: Apr. 7th, 2008 06:35 am (UTC)
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This.

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It's not that serious.....

from: No Name Person
date: Apr. 7th, 2008 08:05 am (UTC)
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Considering it's tax time and everyone in the US is getting it's annual extortion letters from our own government this seems like just more stupid internet banter.

Aside from the people who put these things up for either legit money-making or joke purposes the real question is who the hell is actually sending them money?

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Nangbaby

Maybe

from: nangbaby
date: Apr. 8th, 2008 04:42 am (UTC)
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Who's sending them money? You would be surprised. Keep in mind the Wikipedia article merely mentions people who just put up sites solely to ask for money. Never mind all the sites that have donation bars on them that showcase content.

It might be Internet bullshit, but some people actually make money off this, enough to live off. After all, isn't this how GTF got its Gold status?

Edited at 2008-04-08 04:43 am (UTC)

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Lillith

from: damaris
date: Apr. 8th, 2008 02:03 am (UTC)
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I don't know- I've never seen the harm in people pitching something or another for money. It's one of those things where you can usually ignore it, and if you feel the need to toss in, then whatever.

We do have the donation button, which on our sites means that people end up donating about enough to pay a third of the hosting fees each year. (We have a lot of sites- but he enjoys them, so there we go) It would be pretty awesome, though, if the site could generate some income. But then, we feel bad about the panhandling, which is why he makes sure to have the list of rewards. *shrugs*

But, I'm more curious about the second part of your rant. Who's throwing fits at you now?

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Nangbaby

Donations and Censorshp

from: nangbaby
date: Apr. 8th, 2008 04:36 am (UTC)
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I just can't ignore the idea of people asking for and getting money outside of the established structure while merely reinforcing it. It's one thing to put money into the prepackaged mass media (despite my leftist stances, I'm not against corporations or organizations). It's another to take money and direct it towards individuals based on their ability rather than their need.

No one is pitching a fit right now, but people have in the past, and they will take it out on me despite saying they don't care. The last time I said this, people brushed me off as being paranoid, then all of a sudden, accounts get closed and I get silenced. It's a double whammy, not only do the talented get yet another advantage, but my ability to speak out against them is destroyed.

They get paid for their free speech, while my free speech costs me effort.

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Re: Donations and Censorshp

from: No Name Person
date: Apr. 8th, 2008 05:40 am (UTC)
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You seem to constantly get upset over these issues and at this point aside from aggravation, what do you get out of it? Until I see someone is making significant money on the Internet outside of porn then it really won't make my pissed-off meter start up. I see people begging for real everyday for things like drugs and gambling so people asking for small sums of money on a website that by your own admission they may or may not be getting really won't ever phase me.

As for GTF and donations, that whole thing isn't even roadkill in my rear-view at this point and despite all the issues you have had at various boards at this point you could have your own board somewhere if you wanted to. And the peanuts they charge for server space without ads is nothing compared to what other message boards I have seen have claimed to need to keep going with ads.

Seriously if you want things to run your way, then run it your way. If you can find a way to have your own forum outside of this and can manage it to your liking then you can leave everyone else's vision of things behind and control things yourself. Otherwise you will ALWAYS be disappointed with the outcome.

And if you want to see an on-line scam this Obama guy has raised millions, and for what?

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Nangbaby

Re: Donations and Censorshp

from: nangbaby
date: Apr. 9th, 2008 08:00 am (UTC)
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Contrary to popular belief, there is big money in the Internet besides porn. The methods might not be as big as porn, but the money making avenues exist.

For instance, there are people who buy and sell domain names for a profit. I don't rail against them because quite frankly, the system is as fair as it's going to get, first come-first serve. And the people in that field frown heavily upon people who don't pay or people who beg.

E-commerce in of itself is also really big. After all, in order to pay for the porn, you need to have a payment gateway of some kind.

But there's a reason why I can't run things my way. I tried to run it my way, and every time people stopped me.

I had a board once. Kieben was a regular there. All it did was invite people like BlueMoonKnight to claim he didn't associate with druggies and pretend he was dying of cancer and for people to choose him and others over me. So I let it die.

Years later I put up a single HTML file to express my views, supported by evidence much like my "boring" GTF posts. One stinking file. Needless to say, it mysteriously got deleted and my entire web space was effectively disabled. Yes, there are people who hate me that much, and they actually bragged about shutting me down.

So I can't even control things myself, because people find a way to remove my material from the Internet.

And, oh yeah, Obama is a scam. :D

Edited at 2008-04-09 08:01 am (UTC)

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Re: Donations and Censorshp

from: No Name Person
date: Apr. 9th, 2008 09:49 am (UTC)
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Your original post was about people either begging for money via personal web pages and message boards that ask for donations and now you are talking about some of the actual legit and clearly for-profit web-based ventures. I don't see how the two are remotely similar and it was the begging and people charging for people to read their blogs that seemed to upset you primarily.

If you don't feel that even trying to charge for a site of your own of any type then you can't angry at other people who do it no matter how lame some of it is.

As for what happened to whatever board of your own you had it seems again that you give pretty much infinite power to people who you don't know and who you will more then likely never meet over you. And it also seems you harp on and really dwell on the negative interactions you have to the point of alienating pretty much everyone else.

Not unlike real life relations at a point you have to ask yourself how and why you keep running across so many low-life people on line and figure out a way to insulate yourself from them if it really causes all the headaches you say they do. Since I have known you all you really do is give way too much air time to people who have crossed you and rarely do you appear to have many if any pleasant experiences to speak of.

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evil_kieben

Re: Donations and Censorshp

from: evil_kieben
date: Apr. 22nd, 2008 05:21 pm (UTC)
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"All it did was invite people like BlueMoonKnight to claim he didn't associate with druggies and pretend he was dying of cancer and for people to choose him and others over me."

I lol'd.

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from: No Name Person
date: Aug. 8th, 2011 10:08 pm (UTC)
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funny you remembered me after this time... but you forget i was the one who said to let the forum die, not you... i only had that power because i was the one who brought all those people there... i actually left your forum for years when i went to college.. my sister took my name just to screw with you guys and said i was dying of cancer... she's one person i can honestly say that has you beat in villainy.. she doesn't fail like you do...

-BMK

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Nangbaby

Re: Donations and Censorshp

from: nangbaby
date: Sep. 3rd, 2011 01:20 am (UTC)
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Okay, now who is this, really?

Whoever it is, this person is familiar enough with BlueMoonKnight's style to impersonate him. I don't see BlueMoonKnight writing in that exact style he used nearly ten years later. Even my style has changed.

On the other hand, "BMK" your style is very similar to that of the anonymous trolls who have been plaguing my journal. They tend to reply to years old posts, too. This comment doesn't even rank very highly in Google, so I have a feeling you could be related to them, you know.

Well, "BMK" the forum is dead, not just because of inactivity, but because someone bought server.com a few years ago. Sorry, it wasn't you or me, but the domain name gods.

Thanks for playing "Troll Nang."

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from: No Name Person
date: Jan. 8th, 2012 10:21 am (UTC)
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I remember that forum dying a long time before that... and yes...believe it or not- It's me. I googled myself for kicks.
Funny how you have a blue moon on your 'myspace'...
I never knew you were my age...funny, I thought you were younger.

Anyways... it's interesting to know that your googled my name, so the question remains-

Why were you looking for me..?

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from: No Name Person
date: Jan. 8th, 2012 10:28 am (UTC)
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do you remember my e-mail back then...? it's still the same...

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Nangbaby

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from: nangbaby
date: Jan. 17th, 2012 12:44 pm (UTC)
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I seriously have forgotten your e-mail address.

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from: No Name Person
date: Apr. 8th, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
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If your journal was good enough, maybe people would give you money, because they enjoy it and want to give something back. What's wrong with giving them that option, if you believe that your journal is a commodity or a work of art or something that people value that much?

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Nangbaby

from: nangbaby
date: Apr. 9th, 2008 08:23 am (UTC)
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Because it would be arrogant for me to actually accept money for my words, and dishonest for me to take any money for something that I've willingly provided for free.

I take nothing, so that you may take nothing. Reciprocity.

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from: No Name Person
date: Apr. 9th, 2008 01:47 pm (UTC)
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Arrogant? bull. If you are making stuff that is good enough for people to give you money, then taking it doesnt make you arrogant, It just means you dont have enough pride in what you are putting out.

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Nangbaby

from: nangbaby
date: Apr. 11th, 2008 04:26 am (UTC)
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I don't need money to have pride in what I put out. I merely think that most people's words and products are inherently as worthless as as my own. There is a difference.

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brandon johnson

from: piratezim
date: Apr. 10th, 2008 06:06 pm (UTC)
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Donations are meant to be a sign of appreciation. No one is forcing you to donate. Likewise, in most cases, the mere existence of a donation button does not constitute 'begging'. Such a classification would require an analysis of the context of the button, its placement, etc. Museums have a box you can put money in if you want, are they beggars and thieves too? It's just a box that says "here is a convenient place to put money if you feel the need to donate it to me/us".

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Nangbaby

from: nangbaby
date: Apr. 11th, 2008 04:28 am (UTC)
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Museums provide a public function that is beyond that of its admission price and is priceless. I fail to see how any webcomic, not matter how good it is, provides the same cultural impact as the Louvre.

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Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmann

from: wiz_of_oz
date: Apr. 10th, 2008 11:43 pm (UTC)
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wah wah wah. You sir, are what the chaps at the stick-ball diamonds call, emo. You're getting awfully moany about the idea that people spend money on things they enjoy.

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Nangbaby

from: nangbaby
date: Apr. 11th, 2008 04:24 am (UTC)
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I'm wondering where all this increased attention is coming from Mr. Wizard. Did you conjure it up?

I have to love how you label me "moany" for complaining about people who gain more and then shut me down, yet refuse to let me any sort of enjoyment whatsover and dismiss me with mere words. Why must my choice be frowned on?

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Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmann

from: wiz_of_oz
date: Apr. 11th, 2008 09:59 am (UTC)
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I'm not sure what you're implying when you say I conjured it up. I was reading my friend entries, which I hardly ever do, and read the debate you were having with one of the young artists I have labeled as a friend. Truely I do not know the person from adam, other than I read their comic at one point. I then clicked the link to your name and started reading your journal as well. You actually grump quite a bit in it, I do say.

I'm only commenting on what I've observed. If you don't like random strangers commenting on your thoughts, why make your thoughts public in the first place?

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Nangbaby

from: nangbaby
date: Apr. 11th, 2008 11:34 pm (UTC)
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I didn't say or imply I didn't like strangers commenting on my thoughts. What I don't like is how people say it's a choice to donate and that I shouldn't judge people for donating, but then judge me for my choice to whine. If it's wrong for me to judge other people for how they spend their money, it's wrong for you to judge me for saying so. But if it's acceptable for you to judge my words as drivel, it's acceptable for me to have a moral basis for not donating.

I noticed that you became active recently, the same day as I was attacked yet again. The timing is suspicious from my perspective.

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Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmann

from: wiz_of_oz
date: Apr. 11th, 2008 11:47 pm (UTC)
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It's truly shouldn't be. I rarely ever post and probably won't remember to again for another year. I'm not really into the computer as most of you young kids are. I mainly only use the internet to check my electronic mail and read comics. I then go back to do what us old retired folks do best, fish and babble about how life was so different when I was a child.

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